Is Creator evolving?

Tom you refer to the creator(spirit) as evolving or that it has evolved , how did you reach this conclusion???

How do we know that the creator went through the same process as us???

And if it did, then how would consciousness begin as a imperfection in the nothing???What if the creator was perfect always and did not evolve, but simply is and always was and that it is us that has to do the evolving.

Mark Gooey

Then what was BEFORE the creator became evolved?

My conclusions are based on universal properties of consciousness in the Universe that I have explored using my own consciousness. If intellect does not evolve - it decays.

Beginning of consciousness as an imperfection in the nothing is actually the most probable scenario. Have you seen this article?

Tom

Hi Tom, You seem to believe that the great intellect is restricted by time. You appear to also hold the assumption that time existed prior to the great intellect (along with disturbances in the nothing). The problem of 'creation out of nothing' ceases to exist when you realise that the Great Intellect created time 'with' the universe. Hence, there was no 'time' for 'nothing' to exist through. And the Great Intellect thus exists 'beyond' time. Otherwise you also create the problem of 'time' being higher than God.

Mitch

There is no problem.

Once the current Universe (material facility to store conscious information) decays away (in @10 billion trillions of our years) the Creator can actually create more "time" by making another Universe.

To you and me time is a limitation. Creator can create another hardware (Universe) to store conciousness - its own and those who are evolved enough.

Hence, Creator can exist for eternity, or as long as it chooses to. It has The Freedom of Choice...

Please try to distinguish the eternal existence described above from the process that I call "The Beginning". This Universe is not the first and not the last... For more information how to create a new Universe (totally destroying the old one) while remaining fully conscious please study this article.

Tom

Hi Tom, Thanx for the clear reply. However, I must state that if the Great Intellect created time then his/er omniscient consciousness must have been beyond time (timeless). Thus 'any' sort of beginning for GI is no more than a remnant time-centric extrapolation. It follows that nothingness need not & should not be projected into the scenario. Best Regards

Mitch

I do not adopt dogmas. My conclusions are based on the Observable Reality of the Universe. Any consciousness (including GI) needs some means of storing/filtering/processing information (i.e material Universe).

Once you accept some dogma, as you suggest, you may as well devote your life to study how many devils can fit on a tip of a needle.

Note that perception of "time" can be vastly different for us and for the GI. Since GI has instant access to any worthwile information/sensation ever created in the Universe (study this article to discover why) it is quite imaginable that to GI everything is NOW, even a process of designing a new (better) Universe.

Tom

Hi Tom, I wonder where the Great Intelect stored his Information or Memory before he created the Universe? Do you have any ideas about that.

Lothar

Please study this article. It is mentioned 3 times above for a reason.

Tom

Tom, If GI experiences all as NOW then there IS NO beginning or pre-beginnning(nothingness).Unless, ofcourse, our natural egocentrism deludes us into believing that our limited experience of time supercedes GI's.

Mitch

Try to distinguish between the perception of "time" and the necessity to do certain things sequentially (in the material world).

Limited by material reality,we tend to think/feel sequentially and call our mind sensations "perceiving time". Hence it becomes quite difficult for us to comprehend the massive parallel processing of information available to GI. With parallel processing, occurring in every elementary particle in the Universe, it becomes irrelevant for GI "when" the information comes from.

I have tried to express it by writing (p112) that the ONLY important thing for your consciousness is what you understand TODAY (or NOW). Try to grasp the concept.

When you succeed to separate your consciousness from your physical body while maintaining awareness, you will find that this seemingly abstract concept actually describes a natural state of consciousness.

From a "physics" point of view, consider that electro-photonic memory at ,say, electron level is very short. An electron can only maintain its memory for a tiny fraction of a second. The electro-photonic information can be maintained ONLY if electrons communicate with other electrons before the information that they store is lost. Hence, from GI point of view MAINTAINING the electro-photonic memory (and choosing what to remember) is actually an activity of the PRESENT - perpetually, at any instant.

Tom